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Topic: Are You Dealing With a Government or A Corporate Entity?

Created on: 11/05/18 04:16 PM

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JEROME2


Joined: 02/05/14

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Are You Dealing With a Government or A Corporate Entity?
11/05/18 4:16 PM

Recently a coworker to me of a city ordinance in which home owners will receive a citation for not keeping their lawns trimmed. I told him that the city has no lawful authority. He went on to tell me that the city will have the homeowners lawn cut and place a lien on the property. I told him that government statutes are only internal to the government. Well, he didn't believe me, because he knows many people in which this has happened to.

Now I had to dig into the books to make my point. I found the proof in the City Charter!

In the Preamble of the Charter, "We the citizens of Altus, Oklahoma,... establish this charter for the City of Altus, Oklahoma." It goes on to state that "The City of Altus, Oklahoma, within the corporate limits...now belongs to the corporation known as the City of Altus..."

Additionally, I went to the credit rating agencies which rate businesses. There are two: Duns & Bradstreet, and Manta. The City of Altus is listed as "a Privately Held Company in Altus, Oklahoma."

With this proof, I told my coworker that there are two entities:
1. the government, called Altus, Oklahoma.
2. a corporation, called City of Altus, Oklahoma.

I told him that this corporate entity can NOT compel a homeowner to perform, no more than the corporation IBM, or McDonald's can compel performance.

The citation actually is an offer to contract...written in Negative Averment form. This means that your failure to response will be taken as acquiesce.

And the lien which is later placed on the property is no more than a Mechanics Lien. The same type of lien a contractor would place on your home if you didn't pay for the work performed.

I looked up several cities, and found similar Charters, which created a "corporate legal entity" for managing the affairs of that government.
Therefore if you are sent a Notice from the "CITY OF...",
you know that you are dealing with a corporation who wants to contract with you.

Towns are Settled. Businesses are Incorporated. Check Wikipedia for starts.

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CARLIE1


Joined: 06/11/18

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RE: Are You Dealing With a Government or A Corporate Entity?
11/17/18 7:32 PM

"Fruit From A Poisonous Tree" -Melvin Stamper, JD
Fair warning, when you read remember to convert your anger into a focused logical, legitimate and lasting effort.

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JEROME2


Joined: 02/05/14

Posts: 84

RE: Are You Dealing With a Government or A Corporate Entity?
11/18/18 12:32 AM

Thanks for the reference. I just glanced at a summary. It's a metaphor which deals with the Exclusionary Rule of Evidence.

Which stems mostly from the police use of evidence gained from illegal arrest, unreasonable searches, or coercive interrogation.

I have found a better read on this subject in the title "Paper Arrows", by Howard Griswold.

You can perform a search on the title and name to download the PDF version.

The main point of the document is "the use of words as weapons" to defeat your opponents. There is a large glossary of legal words, and case law provided.

The theme of the document is how the legal industry uses words (legalese) through their corporate entities (which includes governments), to deceive the People.

And many of their deceptive words trick the People into crossing over into their jurisdiction...unknowingly, by pulling them into commerce.

The People gave government the power to regulate commerce in the Constitution; Article I, Sec 8, Clause 3.

And the legal industry has created a slew of legal words for activities that place the People into commerce. Examples:
Driving, hunting, fishing, etc. For which the government issues licenses. That partial list are activities of their respective occupations. Driver (bus, truck, taxi), Hunter, Fisherman etc.

A license is permission by the government to conduct commerce within its jurisdiction!

When we unknowingly enter commerce, we give government the power to regulate us! It took me many years to solve this riddle of how the government gained control over us all.

And when the government charges us for an offense of some statue, they are enforcing a "performance contract" that you signed. The license!

I have given my proof of how I was not charged for speeding twice within 1 hour. This was because I refused to produce a driver's license. No "performance contract", no crime for breaking a statue.

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ROBIN8


Joined: 08/17/20

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RE: Are You Dealing With a Government or A Corporate Entity?
01/12/21 1:46 AM

''....how the legal industry uses words (legalese) through their corporate entities.....''

Do this mean the ''government'' is a tool of the legal industry by setting up a corporation ''under'' the government=eg Altus as government, and, city of altus -as corporation?

The reason I ask is this is a hot topic in some areas as amateurs teaching legal issues and stating that Governments are just Corporations, including the police. Its all about contract and these people USE that these corporations use Adhesion Contracts??

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JURISDICTIONARY


Joined: 11/23/13

Posts: 142

RE: Are You Dealing With a Government or A Corporate Entity?
01/12/21 9:26 AM

ROBIN8 ...
Thanks for your well-reasoned questions. For at least some answers to your questions, please read all of the Constitution of the United States and its several amendments to understand that our Republic operates as a system of laws established by the will of the People acting through elected representatives.

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